ENGINEERING 142 upvotes 2013

How to destroy someone who hosts stuff at Hetzner dedicated server

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2013 · Shared by @turshija
How to destroy someone who hosts stuff at Hetzner dedicated server by @turshija

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I'm using Hetzner services for several years so far (luckily only for personal stuff and friends minecraft server), and had this problem few times. Every time I said to myself "I will get away from Hetzner ASAP", but I always stay there. I would NEVER imagine to run a business hosted there at all, and here is why...

DDoS is a common problem many companies are facing, but Hetzner's policy on that is really crap. If someone starts DDoS on your dedicated, after several minutes they just shut down your dedicated from network, and send you an email like "We disabled your network because you have DDoS attack on your server. Write us an email to reenable your network". And of course, several hours later I saw that email and tell them "Okay, please enable my network", but boom, I will have to wait Monday, because their support that can ACTIVATE network on a dedicated works only from Mondays to Fridays ... And then the person who attacked me sends me anonymous email like "lol, I bought 5$ packet at [some random booter/network stresser website], and I have put you offline for few days for only 15 minutes of DDoS, HAHAHAHA"

So basically yea, start small flood from random VPS/dedicated or whatever that is 100mbit or more, leave it on for several minutes until Hetzners system automatically disable network from person you are attacking, and look at them being offline for few days :) I'm ordering a new dedicated from someone else now, no more Hetzner...

Retrospective Overview & Key Insights

Distilled reflections, business mechanics, and tactical takeaways:

In this technical retrospective (2013), @turshija shares practical architectural lessons learned from running, scaling, or migrating production software under lean constraints.

Core Principles for Independent Builders:
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Defaulting to simpler architectures (such as monolithic frameworks, SQLite, or managed VPS) prevents early engineering bankruptcy.
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Evaluating true compute and egress costs reveals that high cloud bills can often be slashed by 80%+ through judicious re-platforming.
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Code you write at 2 AM as a solo engineer must be easy to debug six months later without complex microservice dependencies.
Community Debate Themes:

HN engineers debated the tradeoffs between cloud convenience and raw server economics, database indexing strategies, and resisting premature architectural complexity.

Community Discussions & Critical Reviews

Key perspectives, counter-arguments, and peer founder insights debated on Hacker News (79 total discussions):

ME @MehdiEG Peer Contributor
DU @Duckeh Peer Contributor
CS @csense Peer Contributor
SP @spindritf Peer Contributor

Yup, pretty much. Those attacks have become a real problem because they can be ordered so cheaply and easily that even kids use them in Minecraft feuds. The channel takeovers of the 21st century.

OVH's much more tolerant in that regard (ie. they keep your server online if battered) and all their servers now include a mandatory anti-ddos protection[1]. Unfortunately, they're fighting turn-over and don't accept new orders.

[1] http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6661 ↗

QA @Qantourisc Peer Contributor

Here is a simple solution and everybody is happy: re-enable it every hour, if DDoS continues, disable again.

Everybody is probably "happy" then: Customer-> their unusable DDoSed server is disconnected, but wasn't reachable anyway. But once the DDoS is over, it's back online. Provider -> they have their traffic routed to null. However, they will have to do some more work to get this working too. And not to mention happier customers.

HISTORICAL ERA Web 2.0 Genesis (2007–2013)
COMMUNITY SCORE 142 points
TOTAL DISCUSSIONS 79 comments
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